Posts by Crooked Lumpy Vessel

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What makes you get through the boring meeting!

by DaCheech in

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i sing the songs with different words (we are lying, uhm uhm uhm), (you are fooled by the gb, uhm uhm hum)

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I have a restless toddler. I would have to change his diapers, take him for walks outside, nursing mothers room. Other times, I would make my grocery list, file my nails, I brought a 'worldy' magazine once. Sometimes me and hubby would write notes to each other. We bring little candy snacks and share them. Nothing crunchy.

Now there were some talks that were really nice. I use to love it when we had a talk from a good speaker and it helped blow the time away. But when we had a monotone, 'English as a second language' speaker, I knew it was going to be a long one. Looking out the window at the nice day often made it harder.

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how much Nepotism in the congregations?

by badboy in

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know any examples?

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I guess this is a problem that is in every congregation. Its a regular Peyton Place. You would almost guess we were from the same congregation.

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how much Nepotism in the congregations?

by badboy in

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know any examples?

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

There is a young sister in our congregation who has had sexual relations with several young brothers. I feel bad for them, they are all teenagers and hormones a raging. However, this young sister would always come out smelling like a rose and the poor young brothers were treated as if they were 'dogs in heat'. One young man in particular was disfellowshipped, because he continued to 'hound' her. Poor fellow, was in love with a tramp. She continued to raise her hand at meetings with her hypocritical crap about conduct and dress and what not. Her next victim, the elders son.

Well, my husband caught wind that she was fornicating again with the son of an elder. Most interesting was at least 10 other younger brothers and sisters knew about it and said nothing. Well, my husband was newly baptized and felt that maybe he should approach the elders and kinda just washed his hands of the whole ordeal. At this point it really became none of our concern anymore. But the out come was that neither one of the fornicators got disfellowshipped and the father was deleted as an elder.

Next, the elder's wife uninvited me to her daughter's wedding and all those who were in the 'circle of knowledge' of this account stopped talking to us, and gave us dirty looks, would not return a hello. (A elder's wife/pioneer sister has a lot of pull on a congregation) Never were we invited to cookouts and the lot. Boom! just like that we were on the outside. My service started to dwindle last October and by December I had only put in one hour. I have not been to a meeting since January and not one sister has come to visit me and not one person has brought us our magazines, we have not received one shepherding call.

Now back in February, one sister did call me and invite me to a gathering. She said, "its good associations" I almost barfed. (this was the first time a sister called me in almost a year) I fantisized about going to this gathering, standing on a chair and telling everyone there all the hurtful things that are going on. Hey a person can dream. I just declined to go. I think I declined mostly because I was telling this sister some of my current problematic circumstances and her reply was "well, everyone has problems and they still go to their meetings". Then at that point I realized that whatever rumors are going around about me are embedded deep.

The way I see it, they are gald we are gone. We are 'tattle tales' . Before this incident I thought I was a spiritually strong person. Now in the end, this little ho fornicator sits in the hall, and is considered 'good association' but because I dont go out in service anymore, I am considered 'bad association'.

Go figure.

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Disturbing phone call yesterday....

by codeblue in

i would have posted this yesterday but for some reason it was unavailable.. i called one of my jw sisters, my turn to call.. a couple of months ago we all got together...hadn't seen any of them in 5 years.. well...she met my hubby and she said what he said was bothering her...i said: oh, i wasn't in the conversation what was it that bothered her....(my first mistake) seems like he brought up the un letter and something about what the real good news is.. she then started her hitler/nazi questions saying she is concerned about my spirituality....... i told her i have a relationship with jehovah and that is what matters...didn't stop her...i also told her i am a big girl and have taken care of my spirituality since i married the first time and left home.. i got off the subject by calling after my dog...and i was shaking the whole afternoon.. ya all know i am fading....geez...i wasn't prepared for this conversation...i am debating on telling her if she wants to continue a relationship with me then she needs to respect my spirituality and not question it...according to romans 14 where it says: each one has an accounting before god.

while i was married to husband #1 she never wanted to hear anything negative...so i had no support during that time and during my divorce as well.. she mentions she is concerned about my spirituality cause i don't talk about meetings or field service.

i would like to reinforce the fact that she doesn't like negative conversations, remind her of my marriage and divorce and after my divorce when i wanted to have an ear to listen to me, but she didn't...so since she set the rules of no negative comments that is why i chose not to talk about meetings or field service because they are negative>.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

There are many who are putting themselves on high and putting others around them down. If Jehovah didnt want me to think for myself then he would not have provided me with a brain.

I love that scripture at Romans 14. Futher it reads at 14:10...

But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11

for it is written: "‘As I live,’ says Jehovah, ‘to me every knee will bend down, and every tongue will make open acknowledgment to God.’" 12 So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God.

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Therefore let us not be judging one another any longer, but rather make this YOUR decision, not to put before a brother a stumbling block or a cause for tripping. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is defiled in itself; only where a man considers something to be defiled, to him it is defiled.

I cant tell you how many times I had a pioneer sister in my business. When I got a job with the Coast Guard as an IT administrator (she had a society printout waiting), when I had my IVF (she had a printout again). I have a stack of printouts. I never understood why my business was her business. My bio sister got her nose pierced and no one talks to her anymore. We had a brother who studied in prison and was baptized. When he got out and started going to the hall, a pioneer sister said, "he is only coming here to find a virgin". Well, as everything always gets around, he left the congregation. She said, "See, I told you so". The above scripture helped me to understand that God can provide us with instruction but not everyone is willing to apply it.

I would keep that scripture open when you talk to that sister again and read it to her. I always felt if a sister was as so bold to point her view at me then I now had every right in the world to point it right back at her and hold my dignity and love in tact. You may want to point out to her that by her pre-judging you and your husband that she is putting a stumbling block in front of you.

I know this sister who is so concerned about my bio sister's spirituality. She always asked me, "how's your sister doing? Is she still going to school? Did she make the convention?" Then she would go back in her car group and pass the info along to the other gossip mongers. Now I just tell her to give my sister a call and ask her herself. (in a nice way) Its been over a year and my bio sister has still not received one phone call.

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Thank you SAHS and MarkfromCali

by Crooked Lumpy Vessel in

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for your kind words....thank you for the hug.

i know part of me is through a metamorphous.

i have learned a lot of truth on this board and there is this battle going on inside me.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

For your kind words.... Thank you for the hug.

I know part of me is through a metamorphous. It’s a hard thing to think that something you believed in so strong for 20 plus years might be wrong. I have learned a lot of truth on this board and there is this battle going on inside me.

My first husband committed adultery and I discovered this (first by spotting a familiar car parked a couple of blocks away) and then looking through the windows when I got home. I walked back to my car, sat inside and hung my head out the door to vomit. I knew I could never go back and I did only once to get my things. This was very hard for me to do. I still loved him in my heart but I also hated him at the same time. Mostly I think I lost respect for him and a little of myself for being so stupid.

Anyway, that’s kinda how I feel right now. I feel that same nausea. It's like I loved the organization for so many years and believed everything I was told. Now I feel like I was cheated on. Not in my face but behind my back. It feels just like it felt when my husband cheated on me. Now I am in a place where I am either going to forgive or forget. I think sometimes if I forgive, then I go back to being like a buoy bobbing up and down in the water with a painted smile on my face. But if I forget the whole thing, I am afraid I will drown into nothingness. I think this is because it is drilled in us that apart from the organization we are not in a relationship with God. Just like an abusive husband makes his wife feel like she is nothing apart from him.

This board is a tremendous help in sifting out my feelings. Sometimes I get a good laugh. Thanks again for the hug and support.

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Blatant Lie, or is it possible?

by pseudoxristos in

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quote of a witness, while discussing the jan 1, 1989 watchtower versus the 1989 bound volume:

"the apostle paul was spearheading the christian missionary activity.

he was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

Thanks for the links. I was wondering what the WTS's response was to that. Did they claim it was a typo?

Curious.

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Blatant Lie, or is it possible?

by pseudoxristos in

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quote of a witness, while discussing the jan 1, 1989 watchtower versus the 1989 bound volume:

"the apostle paul was spearheading the christian missionary activity.

he was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I just spent the last 40 minutes under my stairs. I found Feb 15,1989 then my 87s. Urgh! Then I went to my bound volumes for 1989....its missing. I have everything from 1965 to present but 1989 in missing. I am extremely curious now.

My next step is to visit one of my pioneer sisters or visit the Kingdom Hall. It would be much easier if someone could scan the article.

Phew!

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Blatant Lie, or is it possible?

by pseudoxristos in

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quote of a witness, while discussing the jan 1, 1989 watchtower versus the 1989 bound volume:

"the apostle paul was spearheading the christian missionary activity.

he was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I have a box of Watchtowers and Awakes in a box underneath my stairs dating back to 1982. I could never throw a magazine away because I thought it was like throwing God's word in the trash or something. Or maybe the armaggedon would come and all the nazi-like monsters would ban the religion and this would be the only place I could get my spiritual food.(Ok...you can all laugh at me now) If you havent guessed yet, I am still much of a basket case.

Anyway, maybe sometime this week I will pull my box of magazines out and compare it to my bound volumes. I have bound volumes dating back to 1970.

I dont understand why the bound volume would be different than the actual magazine. When you open them up they are basically a years supply of Watchtowers and Awakes smooshed together in a bound cover. Nothing to retype. And as far as the CD-ROM, all the text materials were already on a computer disk anyway(copy/paste). Nothing would need to be retyped except materials that dated back before the computer was introduced.

Well, I guess it will be interesting.

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Coincidences

by Descender in

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i had a funny experience the other day.

i went out with a girl who was into astrology, i personally don't give that sort of thing much credence.

but as she got to know me, she kept on getting a more and more surprised look on her face.

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I had a boyfriend along time ago. He had a dream that disturbed him. Someone gave him a black rose. He told me that he thought that it meant that he was going to die and if so then he thought he was ready to accept it. I shrugged it off. But then three days later unexpectedly, a blood vessel in his brain burst. He had a brain aneurysm (sp?). A few days after that he died. It was very traumatic.

I held him in my arms all the way to the hospital, while he was vomiting and having convulsions. We both said I love you to each other in the waiting room. They took him back and that was the last time I ever saw him alive, without assistance.

I always hope that I could see him again.

I guess thats a strange coincidence.

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Poll: Anyone thought they sinned against Holy Spirit? Any anxiety or anger?

by SAHS in

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certainly not that i would ever imply that anyone would have sinned against the holy spirit, but i was just wondering how may people either think they may have done this, or in the past thought they may have, or if they felt they were ever a victim of that wt scare tactic.

if so, did you at some point in your life feel anxiety over it?

did you ever feel anger about being misled into thinking you had when you realize now that you really couldn?t have (at least by that time)?

Crooked Lumpy Vessel

I'm kinda new here so here it goes.

Sometimes the answer is yes and sometimes no. I am right now suffering a very intense emotional insecurity/anxiety.

I am afraid of everything and I am convinced that I am serving Jehovah because I am afraid to die for all eternity or maybe my child will die. Then I get bold sometimes and I guess talk bad about the society/friends/congregations. I question teachings sometimes or supposedly friends shun me for telling on someone (this list goes on). Then something changes...sombody will say something like "The end is very sooooooooon" I get scared and run back to hall with my tail between my legs and pray (I'm sorry, I'm sorry) and my anxiety is so bad that it feels like needles all runnning through my body to the end of my finger tips and I am in a constant state of half-faintedness. Then I

Hence, I guess I only serve Jehovah out of fear that he is going to kill me. I am a good person. I dont lie, cheat, steal or commit adultry. I love my child, keep my house clean. But because I miss meetings, dont read the bible regularly and my field service is been nilch for 6 months I feel like I have sinned against God/his Holy Spirit. Then I wonder why God would kill me if I am not a bad person. Then I read that something like I am the slave that buried the coin. And the whole cycle starts all over again.

Let's just say I am an emotional basket case.